tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post757993946578159661..comments2024-01-22T19:10:23.007-05:00Comments on A Commonplace Book: Did Neil deGrasse Tyson Lie About President Bush?Will McLeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14685409952186547597noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-44885009552244937292021-09-11T18:33:58.746-05:002021-09-11T18:33:58.746-05:00The quotes you mention were aimed at terrorists, n...The quotes you mention were aimed at terrorists, not the Muslim people in general.<br /><br />If Tyson was claiming Bush was only trying to distinguish between us and the terrorists, why did he think Arabic names confounded Bush's point? The Arabs who named the stars had nothing to do with those who flew planes into the Twin Towers. So it seems like Tyson thought that Bush was slamming Muslims in general.<br /><br />Bush's actual 9-11 speech was a call for tolerance and inclusion (delivered within 6 days of attack). It was delivered from a mosque.<br /><br />And Bush has repeatedly urged the American people to respect the Islamic faith and not to blame the Islamic people in general for the acts of terrorists.<br /><br />Bush was exactly the opposite of the xenophobic demagogue Tyson portrayed. Hop Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12923433894475072056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-81796197926045015882015-03-23T13:37:52.649-05:002015-03-23T13:37:52.649-05:00The first quote is irrelevant and should not even ...The first quote is irrelevant and should not even be brought up. If we are discussing Tyson's misquoting then the second quote you list is the more valid and therefore the one to examine. Davis, Bush, and Tyson NEVER mentioned a difference between us and "Muslim Fundamentalists" as you erroneously insinuate<br /> - Did he think that God was on the side of freedom, justice, life, equality and liberty? And that the other side, "sort of Muslim fundamentalists", were against those things, and that their concept of God's will was a false and evil delusion and perversion? Yes. Read his words and you know this to be true. - <br />That is your OPINION and not fact, therefore, you are guilty of the same atheistic lapse in truth and fact that Tyson is.<br />And to equate the Christian God with Allah - an invented God by a pedophile rapist intent on conquering a people through political subversion, as opposed to the many prophets who throughout history have supported the idea of the Christian God as the one True God - I would say that you, yourself need to read and investigate the things that you misquote about so that you do not continue the same atheist propaganda that Tyson does. But if you really believe that a satanic god like Allah (read the Quran - every other verse is peppered with killing anyone who does not believe in Allah) is the SAME God who tried desperately to save humanity and teach us the right way to live through HIS WORD and not the word of a human, then it is obvious that you know nothing about religion and should STFU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-71870601749310206022014-10-03T20:58:25.456-05:002014-10-03T20:58:25.456-05:00Also, if you start by quoting Isaiah, that's m...Also, if you start by quoting Isaiah, that's more than a hint that you are referring to the Judeo-Christian God that President Bush and most Americans believe in.<br />Will McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685409952186547597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-58524393808545513492014-10-02T18:54:49.168-05:002014-10-02T18:54:49.168-05:00if Tyson explicitly says that the distinction betw...if Tyson explicitly says that the distinction between "Our God" and "Allah of the Muslims" is "a detail" and a ""minor fact", how can that be ''central to the point he is making"?Will McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685409952186547597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-28048228335592653322014-10-02T16:51:42.385-05:002014-10-02T16:51:42.385-05:00Here's the Tyson quote from a talk rather than...Here's the Tyson quote from a talk rather than the web page you quoted:<br /><br />--<br />TYSON: Here’s what happens. George Bush, within a week of [the 9/11 terrorist attacks] gave us a speech attempting to distinguish we from they. And who are they? These were sort of the Muslim fundamentalists. And he wants to distinguish we from they. And how does he do it?<br /><br />He says, “Our God” — of course it’s actually the same God, but that’s a detail, let’s hold that minor fact aside for the moment. Allah of the Muslims is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. So, but let’s hold that aside. He says, “Our God is the God” — he’s loosely quoting Genesis, biblical Genesis — “Our God is the God who named the stars.”<br />---<br />Note that Tyson starts his point with "He says 'Our God.'" That's central to the point he is making. But Bush didn't say "Our God." In the Challenger disaster quote he said: <br /><br />"The same Creator who names the stars also knows the names of the seven souls we mourn today. "<br /><br />No hint of distinguishing "Our God" from any other God. So Tyson's whole point, about Arabic names for stars and the Muslim God being the same as the Old Testament God, is based on a falsehood. He is accusing Bush of making an argument Bush did not make.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-74299113577911279352014-09-27T17:38:19.469-05:002014-09-27T17:38:19.469-05:00When Bush said "Our deepest national convicti...When Bush said "Our deepest national conviction is that every life is precious, because every life is the gift of a Creator who intended us to live in liberty and equality. " he was saying an untruth, because a significant number of us don't believe in a Creator with intentions about how we should live.Will McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685409952186547597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-16120564914501926742014-09-27T15:39:56.396-05:002014-09-27T15:39:56.396-05:00Tyson does not actually say that Bush was trying t...Tyson does not actually say that Bush was trying to distinguish the Christian god from the Muslim god, but the "U.S. from the Muslim fundamentalists", and that one distinction between us and them is our beliefs about God. And Bush says exactly that in his speeches.Will McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685409952186547597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29524018.post-3023373831716285832014-09-27T13:41:13.580-05:002014-09-27T13:41:13.580-05:00A nice demonstration of the willingness of Tyson&#...A nice demonstration of the willingness of Tyson's fans to lean over backwards in his defense.<br /><br />None of the things you quote Bush saying was a real lie, because in each case his audience could decide for themselves whether or not they agreed with his view—at worst they were rhetorical exaggerations. Tyson's claim about Bush was either a mistake or a flat lie. <br /><br />Pointing out that Bush thought we were the good guys in our conflict with some Muslims doesn't support the idea that he tried to distinguish the Christian god from the Muslim god. <br /><br />The fact that Tyson appears to have invented a variety of other quotes is some evidence against the idea that this was a mistake. The fact that he has not, so far as I can tell, publicly retracted false claims when they were pointed out is evidence that he is not an honest man and some evidence that the quote were lies rather than errors.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543763515095867595noreply@blogger.com